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Choralix

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Tuesday, November 6th 2012, 7:10am

@ Viabouna: Vielen Dank für die Hilfe bei den Solisten. Das waren die wichtigsten Informationen, die ich schuldig geblieben bin.

Es ist gut, dass du die Sache mit Jude so dargestellt hast, wie du es erlebt hast. Deine Version ist sicher richtig. Ich habe doch viel zu große Sprachschwierigkeiten. Auf diese Weise haben wir aber erfahren, dass du auch in Nordirland warst. Das hattes du hier bislang nicht mitgeteilt. Können wir in den nächsten Tagen auch auf einen Konzertbericht von dir hoffen (ich denke dabei an deine anschaulichen Ausführungen von der Kanadareise 2011) oder war es das? :zwinkern:
Wir leben alle unter dem gleichen Himmel, aber wir haben nicht alle den gleichen Horizont. (Konrad Adenauer)
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Tuesday, November 6th 2012, 2:10pm

Hallo zusammen,

Ich habe da mal ein Fotos im Netz gefunden und habe diese mal nachträglich mal bearbeitet, vielleicht auch um Euch bei der Namensfindung zu helfen. Bis auf die "neuen", denke ich, bekomme ich das zusammen.

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Henry Barrington (1), Tiarnan Branson (2), Ciaran Bradbury-Hickey (3), Jude Collins (4), Sammy Moriarty (5), Kavana Crossley (6), Bertie Smart (7), Dylan Duffy (8 ), Benjamin Fairman (9), Daniel Fontannaz (10), Matthew Jansen (11), Stefan Leadbeater (12), Isaac London (13), Lucas Wood (14), Joshua Madine (15), Matthew Madine (16), Eoghan McCarthy (17), Oscar McFall (18 ), Michael Menezes (19), Luke Collins (20), Kuba Niedermaier-Reed (21), Cassius O'Connell-White (22), Matthew Rangel-Alvares (23), Carlos Rodriguez (24), Ralph Skan (24), Thomas Delgado-Little (25), Michael Ustynovych-Repa (26), Sam Wiggin (27), Anthony Blake, Anthony Kerr-Munley and Alessandro Mackinnon-Botti


P. S. Ich habe auf den Fotos Cassius und Luke Collins vermisst

Gruß MiLu

Edit: ich hab da noch eine Stütze gefunden: klick
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viabuona

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Tuesday, November 6th 2012, 8:39pm

Ich habe da mal ein Fotos im Netz gefunden und habe diese mal nachträglich mal bearbeitet, vielleicht auch um Euch bei der Namensfindung zu helfen.t

The Furby hat hier ein tolles Video gepostet. Da könnt ihr euch auf das Konzert in London vorbereiten. ;)

P. S. Ich habe auf den Fotos Cassius und Luke Collins vermisst

Sie standen schon auf der 'Bühne' - Cassius sogar mit einem Solo. Wer weiss, vielleicht tauchen sogar mal diesbezügliche Fotos auf. :smile029:
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Tuesday, November 6th 2012, 8:46pm

Können wir in den nächsten Tagen auch auf einen Konzertbericht von dir hoffen (ich denke dabei an deine anschaulichen Ausführungen von der Kanadareise 2011) oder war es das? :zwinkern:

Hoffen? Hoffen könnt ihr immer - aber ich denke, dass das Wesentliche geschrieben wurde. Aber wer weiss, vielleicht schreibe ich einmal meine Memoiren und gebe dann auch ein Buch raus. :D
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Tuesday, November 6th 2012, 10:06pm

The Furby hat hier ein tolles Video gepostet. Da könnt ihr euch auf das Konzert in London vorbereiten.


Dieses Video ist wieder einmal GEMAtisiert worden.
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
(Benjamin Franklin)
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mawi

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Tuesday, November 6th 2012, 10:20pm

The Furby hat hier ein tolles Video gepostet. Da könnt ihr euch auf das Konzert in London vorbereiten.
funktioniert nicht wegen GEMA
(hab vor dem Posten den Beitrag von Eumenes nicht gelesen)

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Tuesday, November 6th 2012, 10:34pm

Ich habe da mal ein Fotos im Netz gefunden und habe diese mal nachträglich mal bearbeitet, vielleicht auch um Euch bei der Namensfindung zu helfen. Bis auf die "neuen", denke ich, bekomme ich das zusammen.
Da stimmen aber einige Namen nicht mit den Sängern überein. :nudelholz:

Bild1: Nr. 25 ist definitiv nicht Thomas. Es müsste Anthony Blake sein.
Bild2: Nr. 9 ist nicht Benjamin Fairman sondern Thomas Delgado-Little
Bild3: Nr. 13 ist nicht Isaac London sondern Benjamin Fairman
Bild4: Nr. 22 ist nicht Cassius sondern Sam Wiggin (wie auf Bild 3 auch), Nr. 3 ist nicht Ciaran sondern Issac London
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milu

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Wednesday, November 7th 2012, 12:00am

Da stimmen aber einige Namen nicht mit den Sängern überein. :nudelholz:

Da holt aber einer mit der Keule aus ;(
aber ich denke mal, der mawi hat recht. Er kennt die Jungs besser als ich 8)

Gruß MiLu
Gruß MiLu
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mawi

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Wednesday, November 7th 2012, 6:18pm

Ist doch nur ein Nudelholz...
... und wenn Du genau hinschaust siehst Du auch, dass ich immer im letzten Moment zurückziehe. :D
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Manuel

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Wednesday, November 7th 2012, 6:51pm

Danke Choralix

Ein großes Dankeschön Choralix, für Deine sehr ausführlichen Konzertberichte und
Beschreibung von Irland/Nordirland-Aufenthalt.
Ich ich wäre gerne dabei gewesen.

Manuel :freude
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Thursday, November 8th 2012, 8:39pm

Hallo zusammen,

Zunächst erst mal eine kleine Fotomontage, die ich auf Facebook gefunden habe.

einfach putzig !!! :lol: , was man mit Michael so anstellt.
Jetzt schreibt ein User fast einen Roman dazu. Das möchte ich Euch mal präsentieren. Um was es genau geht, kann ich nicht genau sagen, soweit reichen meine Englisch-Kenntnisse nicht aus.

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I want to try this chocolate cookies, but no one gave me cookies ... we will have to prepare for it, along with Mark and Michael.

This history of Mark and Michael will be very small - the same as they were young themselves. And it took place on the day when the brothers once again decided to be adults and independent. So adults to make the first adult act. Even if it is a simple cooking chocolate chip cookies - so tasty homemade biscuits covered with chocolate, crispy and melting in the mouth.
1.In the school, where studied Mark and Michael, always widely celebrated Mother's Day. For this holiday always baked a lot of sweet and delicious, so much so that all the time to eat only three days or even weeks. Opened a day of solemn part of a small - often greeting, the center of the holiday was a children's show, and the event was crowned with many hours of tea, during which all the goodies eaten. Each year, teacher Mark and Michael, Mrs. Smith, was preparing the performance, where all roles were played only by boys (girls, for obvious reasons, during the festival only accepted congratulations, watched the performance and tea). Today, a teacher's "creative imagination" when writing the script should send future actors in an enchanted world inhabited by little monsters who became angry because of the constant hunger. As conceived by Mrs. Smith, good strength (toiler bees, army ants and the Fairy Godmother - this "difficult" role - of a young beautiful woman - of sixty Dorothy Smith boldly claimed) dispel monsters and arranged in honor of this joyous holiday event, which will be the mass of any refreshments. Michael got to play the role of an evil monster, and Mark was honored to be an ant.
Mothers and grandmothers, who are invited to the feast,what is called, had prepared him well: sew costumes for young artists, to make decorations and, of course, the whole mountain to bake sweets, without which the celebration could fail. So, if you want a holiday - make it himself, do everything for him himself, do not forget that others were happy and satisfied. Perhaps, during the celebrations and remember about you. However, as always.

2. It was almost a welcome holiday. Mark and Michael learned their roles (the good, the words were hardly any) and the words of festive songs. They practiced at home every day, for what dressed up in costumes. We should add that these suits have been taken from the neighbors, whose children used to learn from Mrs. Smith. At the time of his eighth birthday the neighbors' children, too, were "ants" and "evil monsters", as well as now, Mark and Michael, took part in the play, although with a different storyline. Especially liked Mark and Michael two hats of heroes - a little brown, with brown horns (for the army ants) and a broad blue, with big bulging eyes (the "crown" of the image evil monster). These caps brothers went to the apartment and played in the "heroes and villains." Before joining mom with work was still about three hours. Naturally, neither of which classes of question - near the show, and who is eight years will do their homework if they are not forced to do. But now, today, they decided to be independent. They came up with a brilliant idea: a mother would bake all evening a lot of tasty, including chocolate chip cookies for the holiday. As she surprised when he sees on the table for ready meal.
Suit the action to the word. Armed to the teeth, cooking utensils and set of products that would be enough for the regiment of hungry soldiers, if they all of a sudden wanted to taste the cookies (flour, butter, sugar, eggs and other products in the house was always a lot), the brothers began preparing for the sacrament.
But Mark and Michael were young to understand all the subtleties that guide adults when preparing their culinary masterpieces, so they did everything as tell them to their own experience. The experience that was equal to several stays in the kitchen while cooking the holiday baking. In short, the whole experience was limited to children's culinary creativity and undying fantasy.

3. First, the brothers took up the dishes.
- Mr. insatiable monster (so kindly brother called Michael), take a cup of more cookies should be plenty!
- I myself know, my ant soldier (a nickname applied to Mark)!
- It says here that you need to put oil. Do monsters strong legs, they do it quickly soft.
- Rash sugar ants, but do not eat the whole look: ants like to eat sweets.
- Monsters no less have a sweet tooth. Even declared war on bees. Rash more.
- Without You know insect. Oh, and it says here that we needed more vanilla sugar.
- Look, a monster, do not be so smart. Vanilla sugar Bring it! You eat and so, without this sugar! .. So do not look at me! - After a pause said Mark. - I do not know where this sugar mom is ... - ... - This phrase Michael prefaced his next answer, however, is slightly delayed.
- I understand - interrupted his brother Marc, who opened his mouth to answer - no need to call mom, or will not be a surprise, and she was afraid that we'll have a fire, like that time when we did the New Year's fireworks, as they do does not start, and you come up with to bring gasoline from the garage. Well, that time Dad felt the smell. - You're, an ant, do not argue, it's better to do quickly, and then mother would come. No vanilla sugar, pour another glass of normal.
- You're still, a voracious monster become teach me!
Then, when the case went to the eggs, Mark and Michael did not save the products, that is to put all strictly on prescription: ant wanted to eat cookies as much as a hungry monster. The same fate befell the cocoa - it poured almost full pack. Brothers and got up packages of flour.

4. - Ant, is written here that you just half a kilo of flour. Do you think if I throw half of the package, it will be enough?
- Ask your appetite, a monster, he would call you a lot more. Rash, while I can not say that enough already.
- While I was rolling in the flour, insect hives baking powder ...
- ... - It was a response to Mark.
- What, aggressive insect, you also do not know where Mom baking powder? - Michael asked his brother. - What to do? Have no oven baking powder. Without vanilla sugar did not die, and even without baking powder, and even more so. Then the brothers began to roll out the dough. From the excess flour and no baking powder, sugar and excess oils poor dough did not want to roll it out to be. It stuck to a rolling pin to the oilcloth on the table, to the fingers and mouths of Michael and Michael (do you really think that the brothers were from tasting dough?!), Not the rolling - and all.
- What monster feet are tired, the test can not cope? - Violently crushing the dough and rolling pin plying, Mark asked.
- You're on your feet, insect, look, already can not keep a rolling pin - tearing off the dough by hand, said Michael.
- It's because of you does not want to roll out the dough as flour poured. You just flour monster! - Cried Mark. - You'd have poured into the dough a lot of sugar. Finally it has gone bad. Therefore you ant absorber sweets!

5. After twenty minutes of torment, when the dough is completely hardened, the brothers realized that drastic measures are needed. They threw down the dough on the table and got chocolates. At teatime conversation brothers became more friendly, especially after they have eaten a couple of chocolate bars - all the chocolate that they found at home.
- Let's add into the dough some more! - Washed down with tea, chocolate, is more conciliatory tone said Mark.
- Try it, here Mom a lot of bags - munching chocolate, said Michael.
So into the dough hit a bag with starch, a bag of citric acid, and even some fragrant spices, which attracted Mark smell. - You ask, dear reader, do the brothers have not read what is written on the bag? Undoubtedly, they would do it in any other situation. But there were so many bags, and the guys are tired of losing the battle with the dough and relax of tea, what to read, what's written on them, nor Mark nor Michael did not. - You ask, dear reader, do the brothers have not read what is written on the bag? Undoubtedly, they would do it in any other situation. But there were so many bags, and the guys are tired of losing the battle with the dough of tea and relax, what to read, what's written on them, nor Mark nor Michael did not.
Second Battle with the dough was also lost, but the guys were willing to lower: frozen dough has already taken shape, and therefore ready to fit into a the molds. This pleased the brothers, and they cut the the molds cups. Only these circles were like the ancient Roman or Babylonian coins that had lain in the ground or on the bottom of the sea for thousands of years. And now taken out of the bowels of the earth or from the depths of the ocean, not been cleaned of centuries of dirt and silt they are not a very compelling spectacle for eyes. Brothers made one serious mistake, forgetting to oil baking sheet - so much they wanted to see the results of their work (all dough circles on a baking sheet have not got - there were too many.) They stuck to the bottom of the baking cups and opened the oven.

6. That is placed in baking sheet oven, put the automatic mode, and the brothers have to wait for a light moment when crunchy and flavorful cookies can serve.
- Look, ant, I'll try cookies first! - Said Michael.
- Dreaming, the monster! - Said his brother Mark.
However, their thoughts were interrupted by one unpleasant episode. Michael once again looked in a cookbook, and almost fell off the chair. Mark also realized that something terrible had happened.
- Hey, Mark! - Michael first called his brother's name. - It says that you need to pour the finished cookies with melted chocolate! - Yes, it is true, Michael, I forgot - Mark said, do not forget to turn to his brother's name.
- And we all ate chocolate! - In a trembling voice said his brother.
- Is that you, the evil monster, could not get enough! - Mark cried, suddenly forgetting his manners. - All ate and ate until the chocolate is not over!
- Are you referring to the little ant, but swallowed about two bars of chocolate! - being indignant at his brother, Mark shouted even louder. - Right now cookies is ready, watered it than? Cookies can not decorate my tears. Yours - not too. - And you, Michael, look to not burnt - wearing a coat on the run, Mark shouted from the hallway.

7. - What, my dear reader, Michael worked as his brother ran to the store for chocolate? You are absolutely right thought, tasted cookies. Behind this employment him saw Mark, he ran out of the store
- What did not you get enough? No wonder you have chosen for the role of a monster! I knew they would, so to run hard to go home! - Called Mark. - Try it yourself, harmful ant - with a disappointed face, Michael said, - on mother's cookie is in no way similar. Mark tried, and his face was like the face of a person suffering from a dull toothache. It was exactly the same as his brother. Followed by a new reconciliation, during which Mark bought the chocolate has been eaten, as found on the shelf roll, sharing the fate of chocolates. The next half hour guys take off "ancient coins" (i. e., that resembles a cookie) from the stove, cut out circles of dough new (it has had time to harden even more) and baked a second portion. Now for the chocolate ran Michael. However, he returned home with mum who had time to come home from work and met his son at the store. Mark had no desire to try a second portion of of cookies, and the brother is not eager. Heads down, they went into the room to do their homework, after which, and sleep. They awakened by smell cookies - delicate, aromatic, mouth-watering chocolate chip cookie.

8. What happened then?
And then was a holiday, where the brothers congratulated mom, played their roles effectively (but the best part was a success, Mrs. Smith) and eating chocolate chip cookies. A time to play the photo, where one was captured Michael, dressed as a monster (but already well-fed and good), with cookies in hand - a culinary masterpiece of their beloved mother.
- And if I did not dream the whole thing? Yes, ever: it is a complete fiction. Only rather dreamed, Mark and Michael - Brother, tired after his first adult act. What they dreamed of yet? Ask themselves and do not forget to take your cookie!


Es ist reichlich viel, sorry !

Gruß MiLu
Gruß MiLu

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Friday, November 9th 2012, 12:51pm

Ich hänge noch einen dran !
Für alle Belfast-Besucher, Libera nahm auch am Gottesdienst in der St. Peter's Church teil. Zu sehen sind sie ab der 46. Minute
klick
Gruß MiLu
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jamesphillip

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Friday, November 9th 2012, 5:39pm

"the furby libera" hat ein video zu den konzerten in armagh und belfast hochgeladen - nur um die sache mit den videos zu vervollständigen ;-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbKJ0tqNRbw&feature=g-all-u
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Friday, November 9th 2012, 10:02pm

Gab es bei den Irland Konzerten eigentlich ein Meet+Greet oder war
gleich nach dem letzten Lied Schluss ?

Wenn ich das bisher richtig verfolgt habe sind M+Gs wohl nur in Übersee
die Regel oder liege ich hier falsch?
:think:

BTW: Nett gemachtes Video mit den Illustrationen aus Irland :)
Wir verlangen, das Leben müsse einen Sinn haben,
aber es hat nur genau so viel Sinn wie wir ihm geben.
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Friday, November 9th 2012, 10:09pm

Gab es bei den Irland Konzerten eigentlich ein Meet+Greet oder war
gleich nach dem letzten Lied Schluss ?

Da war nix mit M+G. Auch kein Fotoshooting
Wenn ich das bisher richtig verfolgt habe sind M+Gs wohl nur in Übersee
die Regel oder liege ich hier falsch?

Jein, im asiatischen Raum gab es soviel ich weiss, immer ein M+G. In Kanada letztes Jahr gab es nichts dergleichen und bei der letzten USA - Tour gab es nicht bei jedem Konzert ein M+G.

Mein Eindruck ist der, dass Libera dies eigentlich ganz abschaffen möchte. Aus welchen Gründen auch immer.
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Friday, November 9th 2012, 10:54pm

Mein Eindruck ist der, dass Libera dies eigentlich ganz abschaffen möchte. Aus welchen Gründen auch immer.


Viabuona hat Recht. Es gab kein M&G. Ich nehme an, es liegt auch an der Uhrzeit. Sieh es mal so: um 21:30h ist das Konzert (leider) zu Ende. Wann soll dann das M&G stattfinden. So ca ab 22:00h. Und wie lange geht das? Mindestens eine Stunde ... oder zwei? Dann ist es 0:00h. Ist das kindgerecht? Wenn es um das Wohl der Kinder geht, verzichte ich (gern) darauf. Aber mal eine andere Frage: Wozu M&G? Für wen und warum?
Wir leben alle unter dem gleichen Himmel, aber wir haben nicht alle den gleichen Horizont. (Konrad Adenauer)
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Friday, November 9th 2012, 11:04pm

Ich möchte mich an dieser Stelle noch bedanken für die lieb gemeinten Grüße von denjenigen, die sich zu meinen Konzert-Reise-Berichten geäußert haben. Ich hoffe sie haben euch einen umfangreichen (aber persönlichen) Eindruck geben können, der euch etwas von der Stimmung vermitteln konnte, die ich hatte. Es hat mir Freude bereitet, euch zu informieren ... und sorry, wenn da mehr persönliches drin war als erwünscht. Aber jeder sieht und hört es eben anders. Aber vielleicht hat einer von euch Lust bekommen, Nordirland im Urlaub zu bereisen. (PS: mit LIBERA ist jedes Land eine Reise Wert.)
Wir leben alle unter dem gleichen Himmel, aber wir haben nicht alle den gleichen Horizont. (Konrad Adenauer)
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Sunday, November 11th 2012, 8:28am

Was eigentlich an jedem Ort selbstverständlich sein sollte..
...hat nun wenigstens in London geklappt.

Das Konzert am 16. November ist ausverkauft! :thumbsup:

Anderenorts gibt es anscheinend immer noch zu viele Unwissende.
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Sunday, November 11th 2012, 9:07am

Frage: Wozu M&G? Für wen und warum?


Ja, warum eigentlich?
Warum geht man zu einer Lesung des Buchautors und lässt sich das Buch auch noch signieren?
Weil man was persönliches haben möchte, dem Autor oder Künstler face to face gegenüber stehen möchte. Vielleicht ein „Danke“ sagen, oder „war toll“. Sonst ist ein Meet & Greet eigentlich sinnlos.
Wieso gibt man ein Haufen Geld aus um in ein Konzert zu gehen und die Titel die man schon kennt, in leicht abgewandelter Form zu hören? Gut, da sind dann ein, zwei neue Titel mit dabei, aber sonst ist doch viel stressfreier zu Hause, eine CD einzulegen und dort zu genießen.

Nö!
Ich glaub ich würde mich riesig über eine Neuauflage der Meet & Greets freuen.
Für die Jungs würde der Stressfaktor bestimmt auch nicht höher ausfallen, als das Konzert selbst.
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Sunday, November 11th 2012, 7:24pm

Habe nochmal in meiner Fotosammlung gewühlt und noch so einige neue Fotos und Videos gefunden von Liberas Summer Tour gefunden.
unter http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NvngRMnF2k&feature=plcp kann man sich das anschauen - wie immer ist ein proxi erforderlich... ;-)
leider gabs dort auch keine meet&greets - dort hätte man ja zumindest die Möglichkeit gehabt an einem Folgetag des Konzertes so etwas wie ein meet&geet anzusetzten. Dann wäre man auch nicht mit der Uhrzeit in Konflikt geraten...
für fans die von überall her anreisen für die konzerte wäre soetwas glaube ich gar nicht so unwillkommen gewesen... ;)
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